Topic: Metin2 SG Geographical block possibility (Read 1927 times)

Roph · « **on:** September 10, 2009, 08:40:51 PM »

Check this thread: http://www.metin2sg.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5573

[edit] The thread has been deleted, though it was captured beforehand. View it here:

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I originally started to post this to that thread, but it got a bit big, and I assume that the above thread will be locked or deleted soon.

Players in many countries, including ones where GameForge operates a metin2 localization, are having trouble connecting to SG. Not sure about US, the people I know that live in the US and play metin don't care about SG

Any US people want to try logging into the SG server?

This inability to connect from specific countries simply cannot happen by accident; the internet does not work that way. If routes were dropped (they aren't, you can still load the SG site which is in the same block & subnet) they would be dynamically rerouted.

It is somewhat easy to block a country (I could decide I hate polish people and block most of them from loading liquiron by adding an some iptables rules to this server's config), but it has to be done deliberately.

Why would there be a geographical block?

Anti-competitive practices by other metin2 publishers possibly. This is the reason that was thrown around before and put to rest mostly when everyone could connect to SEA - if only for a day or two. But now that some countries are blocked whilst others are not, this will pick right up.

If Gameforge or G4BOX did do this then that is an enormous dick move for them to do so. Instead they should focus on improving their own servers to keep their players (Gameforge has ALOT to do in this department)

Then again it could be a sole agreement between Tec and YMIR, and for whatever reason (embarrassment, NDA) Tec can't or won't say. Metin2 US admins stated they haven't complained to YMIR about an country block (though [GM]Giada made a quite strange cryptic post) aftertall. Haven't seen any official response from Gameforge about country blocks for SG.

Blodeuwedd · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:26:56 PM »

From what I know, noone I know from Portugal is being able to connect WITHOUT proxy...

I'm thinking you might very well be right...

I haven't tried myself because my brother did (on the first day, when it still worked for everyone) and he told me the lag was really awful, so I decided to wait a bit longer...

Penelope · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2009, 01:04:05 AM »

I live in the middle of USA and just downloaded it so I could test for you. I can't log in either. It's kind of funny none of the staff have posted in that thread. That tells me they know more than what they are saying. So much for customer service I guess.

serenity · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:36:43 AM »

not only USA but canada as well =]

M3Sura · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2009, 05:57:42 AM »

None from Romania can log...i have a friend...he could play for few days with a proxy...but now its not working for him anymore even with proxy.

Goldelbe · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2009, 10:14:27 AM »

oh god, that means that some of my favorites persons are coming back to us, cause they are not able to play sea???

omg i hope they have proxy...

LadyMac · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:22:30 AM »

I know several people from the US who have tried, none are able to log in.

rynaqui · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2009, 04:02:47 PM »

I am able to log in no problems at all, European here, from Malta, but id rather stay on us

Roph · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2009, 05:40:44 PM »

As you say, you are in malta, gameforge does not run a Metin2 Malta =o

Roph · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2009, 06:12:47 PM »

As expected, the SG team have removed the discussion from their forums.

They can not stop it elsewhere though - Here is the thread, screenshotted before it was removed. It's worth looking over, it contains many messages of players unable to connect.

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M3Sura · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2009, 08:38:26 PM »

I'm starting to think they lied when they said "There will be no IP blocks"...it's very clear it's an IP block...so...the dream is over.

BlueDragonMF · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:19:39 PM »

well, even if they lied they have to allow us play for OB .
When OB will start they have to choose, or let us play or the truth will comes out .
Don't worry, we will know soon .
CB can't dure more than 2 weeks .
And LOL i'm pretty sure will dure 2 weeks ( to delay LOL ) .

rynaqui · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:22:01 PM »

I guess with that reply Rophe, I can understand a little more, and maybe others too, sorry for my ignorence, but Gameforge is playing quite a dirty little game here

BlueDragonMF · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:40:24 AM »

Guys i speaked with [GM]Ridiearl on metin2SG forum and he said there are players from greece, italy and USA that can play without proxy .
There is no IP block .

LadyMac · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:40:37 AM »

Quote from: Roph

IP Geolocation is not always spot on. Before I moved house/ISP, most services thought I was in Amsterdam and not England. Lucky for you I imagine you either have this same effect or your ISP is using a transparent proxy.

Quoted from Page 5 above. I'll admit I don't completely understand how it works. But the sheer volume of people who CAN NOT connect and play makes me wonder.

Roph · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2009, 12:19:15 PM »

Quote from: BlueDragonMF on September 12, 2009, 10:40:24 AM

Guys i speaked with [GM]Ridiearl on metin2SG forum and he said there are players from greece, italy and USA that can play without proxy .
There is no IP block .

A confidentiality or non disclosure agreement (which is likely for an issue such as this) would prevent the team from confirming a country block.

tvukov23 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 13, 2009, 03:21:17 AM »

here you go gay Rophe read thise ashole and stop speaking around about IP block moron

http://www.metin2sg.com/vbforums/showthread.php?p=90309#post90309

Roph · « **Reply #17 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:38:27 AM »

I talk of a geographical block, one that prevents certain countries from connecting, while other countries can connect with no issue.

Whatever you would like to think, or whatever the team (contractually, breaking an NDA of confidentiality agreement would likely result in harsh punishment from YMIR, or possibly them losing their license) has to say, you cannot deny that gameforge/g4box served countries are (sans those who slip through the net) are unable to connect.

People in the UK cannot connect - Served by GameForge
People in Germany cannot connect - Served by GameForge
People in America cannot connect - Served by G4BOX
People in Canada cannot connect - Served by G4BOX
People in Italy cannot connect - Served by GameForge
People in Poland cannot connect - Served by GameForge
People in Spain cannot connect - Served by GameForge
And so on.

People in Denmark CAN connect without problems - no publisher operates a localized version of metin2 for this country
People in Norway CAN connect without problems - no publisher operates a localized version of metin2 for this country
People in Sweden CAN connect without problems - no publisher operates a localized version of metin2 for this country
And so on.

There are some in blocked countries who are able to connect, because geolocation, the method of determining the originating country from an IP address, is by no means a totally accurate technology. Some will not be "caught" as appearing to come from their own country and as such their packets will get through fine. Playing through a proxy that is not in a GameForge or G4BOX served country results in guess what - being able to play fine!

I guess it's all just a big coincidence, right?

kopi · « **Reply #18 on:** September 13, 2009, 02:36:56 PM »

And how bout player from the Latino ??
They can connect without a problem.
It is stated by Tiramisu that 80% can't log in and are u sure those 80% came from the region that u stated ??
I have a friend from same country but different state... and he can't log in.
FYI... i live in the neighboring country of Singapore. So.. IP block rules out. Its up to u to believe it or not... either its a coincidence or some undisclosed reason.

BlueDragonMF · « **Reply #19 on:** September 13, 2009, 04:20:58 PM »

Quote from: tvukov23 on September 13, 2009, 03:21:17 AM

here you go gay Rophe read thise ashole and stop speaking around about IP block moron

http://www.metin2sg.com/vbforums/showthread.php?p=90309#post90309

LOL xD

Roph · « **Reply #20 on:** September 13, 2009, 05:47:15 PM »

Brazil is by far the largest country in south america and is served by metin2 BR, published by ongame.

BlueDragonMF · « **Reply #21 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:16:19 PM »

Quote from: Roph on September 13, 2009, 05:47:15 PM

Brazil is by far the largest country in south america and is served by metin2 BR, published by ongame.

And they can log-in from brazil ??

Crono86 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 15, 2009, 03:29:55 PM »

I am from Italy and i can log. And i noticed that all who has the same ISP as me can log. Those who use telecom cant.

Roph · « **Reply #23 on:** September 16, 2009, 01:38:51 PM »

Then lucky you, as far as their geolocation is concerned, you are not in italy. Like my old ISP where it thought I was in amsterdam

(though that would have still got be blocked =| )

Crono86 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:21:31 PM »

This should apply for my neighboor too then. He lives 200 meters from me but he has a different ISP but he cant log in.

Roph · « **Reply #25 on:** September 17, 2009, 01:16:25 PM »

You explained it yourself, he has a different ISP. Your connection goes from your house, to your DSLAM (if you're on DSL), to a network hub, then probably finally to your ISP's backbone. Your ISP in turn then gets their connection from a bigger provider, who in turn might lease out their connection from a main tier 1 provider. Geolocation's accuracy depends on how far down the "chain" it can see.

Your friend uses a different ISP and so the "chain" is completely different, and unlucky for him, they can tell that he is in Italy.

lusipt25 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 17, 2009, 03:51:25 PM »

From Portugal all guys i know cant log too, we have metin2 by GameForge

I have work with several servers, from my experience, this is a ip block issue.

I wish gl for all, tomorrow starts aion in europe and i be there, and i dont do intention to play another game in next times.

cumpz

Keiano · « **Reply #27 on:** September 17, 2009, 04:57:56 PM »

Hello everyone, it's my first post on this forum and hope not last. It's curious for me that Metin2 SG team don't want to tell us the truth about the ip block. What are they worried about ? That they won't have players and their money gone for free to YMIR ? I hope that everything will be clear when OB release, if it release without postpone.

PS: Rophe are you going back to M2 US or already playing there ? sorry for my english.

Roph · « **Reply #28 on:** September 17, 2009, 06:44:21 PM »

Quote from: Keiano on September 17, 2009, 04:57:56 PM

It's curious for me that Metin2 SG team don't want to tell us the truth about the ip block. What are they worried about ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

bobhk2 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 17, 2009, 11:48:29 PM »

Nice Work Roph...10/10..
No1 can arrgue with anything he said cz its all trye.facts and reality so face it..
they couldnt tell the players they have the IP-issue stuck to they start CB hoping for u players to find out and login via porxy.

Roph · « **Reply #30 on:** September 18, 2009, 12:49:33 PM »

Geographical block is confirmed by TEC admins finally, please continue discussion here: http://liquiron.com/forum/index.php/topic,306.0.html

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