Topic: SEA comming out !

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[GA]Christopher 
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Dear members,

At this moment, we can be certain that Metin2 SG will be ready some time end of August 2009. If it can be earlier, it would be a bonus. We are working closely with our developer to get ready for the launch.

We take this opportunity to thank you for your patience. It is our wish to deliver the game to our members soonest possible.

Thanks & regards,

Christopher Chia
TEC Interactive Pte Ltd 




Quoted from christoper.

Woot finnaly.Only thing stinks is i might be in boot camp in september :S

wow finally =D

hope waiting wasnt a failure

I told ya ..didnt I ..

wow finally =D

hope waiting wasnt a failure

What exactly does 'failure' mean in your book?

failure in general means that something failed the expections or something failed in general
so in this case it means that i hope it was worth waitin so long for a new metin version to come out

maybe u should learn english

Wohoo !!
Finally!

Everyone gets so excited when they see a new deadline =S completely confusing to me lol, why not celebrate when he actually meets one..he's only failed to meet say idk 6? so far 

Due to past failures, I am also skeptical that they will make this deadline.

well its true they did miss a few deadlines (both speculated and official)

I don't mean to sound like i'm defending them but there was only one official deadline to my knowledge and they missed it due to unforseen(?) outside interference. I doubt Christopher would have what he has if he was the type to fall for same mistake twice. Then again, i might be wrong.

9 days to go 

no worries then

Christopher and his mini-me's were busy spurting rumours that .sea would be "open in 2 weeks" and then it was...it'll be 2 weeks longer there's delays...then another 2 weeks...this has been going on for at least 4 months now

My personal opinion is that it was done knowing that the server wouldn't be opened soon (if ever?) but on the pretense that it would stop people spending money on .US and hurt their business either enough to close them down or possibly to sell their rights to Chris.

But hey, that's just my personal skeptical paranoid opinion, i'm sure such underhanded tactics never really happen in real life. 

GF and G4box server were in shit waters on their own. ppls stopped using real money because they got bored of doing the same things. There are no new updates, this is the real reason.

i said this before crono...lets wait and see what happens here..i have to side with rophe and bozo on this new deadline though i will agree with you..almost if not all past deadlines he said wasnt all his and his staff fault. if chris does get .sea server up and running...then i will see all of you there. heres to hoping

Yes only time will tell us. What i dont agree with is this

top people spending money on .US and hurt their business either enough to close them down or possibly to sell their rights to Chris.

I already said why ppls stopped using money on those server, and Chris had already the rights and the license. I am sure of it because first G4box and GF denied the existence of SEA, then they said was a private server then they asked a IP Block. If Chris didnt had any rights why set up all this mess against tec?

People are quite happy to settle especially when there's no alternative. An easy example I can give is, before Chris announced .sea there were more people selling MP than people wanting to buy, after he announced, well 90% of the sellers started buying mp themselves...I wonder why 

I don't understand why you're always quick to jump up and down and say this is this and that is that when there's no evidence for either side T_T at least i'm honest enough to say this is my own idle musings.

Can i equate it to saying God doesn't exist because people use the proof that there is no physical evidence and put it on the religious to prove it since they believe it?  ...yes i'm mildly equating Chris to God but whatever, a good deal of blind nincompoops (i can't believe it's actually a word) already worship him so why not. 

U gave the answer by urself, there arent any prooves of what u r saying, so u r just speculating or saying bullshits.

How u know that many players stopped selling mps? if u stopped dosnt means that the others did too. And u said that ppls stopped buying mps now u say this:

well 90% of the sellers started buying mp themselves

Make up ur mind?

If a company is healty there is no rumor or speculation that might harm her, subagames wasnt good and he passed the game, thats my evidence, where is urs?

*sigh* ok i'll try to simplify it.

people stopped buying mp with money and started buying it with ingame gold from the few people who still sold to people ingame. I know this because I had quite a few of them ask to buy from me. Can you wrap your head around that part yet?

Your evidence is...sorry, I missed you actually having any evidence more than deadlines that for one reason after another aren't ever met =o

many people weren't happy with metin, however they were content and were still buying mp, then Chris announced his new server coming out in 2 weeks (i'd like to note that was at least 4 months ago) and people pretty much even lost the will to farm/level and just stood in town. (I know this from talking with a huge deal of people who were all just..meh why bother i'm going to .sea soon..and that was a good 85% of how people felt). It's also been mentioned several times, that any halfwit could tell it is impossible to set a server up from scratch in 2 weeks, so the question remains, why was it announced so very very early. I doubt you'd want to call Chris an ignoramus. (it's someone who's *speaks slowly* reallllllly ignorant)

Who dosnt buy mp from players for gold? If the player is a 100% trustfull seller all high level players that has gold would prefer to buy mp for gold rather then touch their own wallet. Thats normal

My evidence is that suba was in bad waters with or without the sea server announcement. And its dead. There is no more suba. It didnt passed only metin2 but also crossfire so the income were very low on both game. I never heard crossfire SEA lol do u?

And the delay is due to complains from g4box and gf sides. The tryed to keep the few customers left. This is the reason given by TEC if u dont want believe it then its another story.

...ever get the feeling your watching a prize fight here between those two?...anyone got popcorn?

Part truth, and part assumption/guessing.

My evidence is that suba was in bad waters with or without the sea server announcement. And its dead. There is no more suba.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Suba officially states that they are not dead and that their other 3 titles (ace online, prison tale and the prison tale 2 game) will be ok. {1} {2}

It didnt passed only metin2 but also crossfire so the income were very low on both game. I never heard crossfire SEA lol do u?

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Metin2 and crossfire are G4BOX's titles {3}, so if G4BOX ends their partnership with Suba, then of course it is crossfire and metin2 that is removed from Suba. This does not mean that either game is low income, that part is only your own guess. {4}

And the delay is due to complains from g4box and gf sides. The tryed to keep the few customers left. This is the reason given by TEC if u dont want believe it then its another story.

Unfortunately no solid proof is available anywhere (an email from a GMAIL account owner posing to be one of YMIR's PR contacts of course is not credible)

No other server speaks of this or blocks any IP ranges to other countries.

Many people I'm sure are excited about SEA and would like to play there or at least try it out. I would like to try out SEA too, if it is ever released.

But you have to realise that alot of people don't care about SEA. US will lose its "few players left"? There are alot of players on US and alot of new players appearing. SEA will not destroy US. Look at UK, their server is hilariously pathetic, yet they still have a loyal player following.

Priston tale and ace online dosnt have anymore a forum. about priston tale 2 that game hit the record of the most delayed closed beta game. How many attemp of launching that game were made? 7? or more?

and metin 2 currently has no forum either, your point? lol

And what does it matter if you bring up Priston Tale 2, only relevance I can see is that Chris is wanting to take the record of most delayed beta?

Crono you have a habit of ignoring the points people make and simply attempt to distract, it's quite the crappy way of argueing....boring too lol

Actually i was stating how crappy subagames works. Even if metin2 is of g4box they still used subagames as portal so they are responsable about how crap the game was in this months. And nothing changed since z8 forum is still down lol. But i already said this.

About u bozo when u decide something in ur life (by starting with ur nick lol) let me know!

And lol lets analize the points since u like to mention

My personal opinion is that it was done knowing that the server wouldn't be opened soon (if ever?) but on the pretense that it would stop people spending money on .US and hurt their business either enough to close them down or possibly to sell their rights to Chris.

Correct if i mistake because i might translate this wrongly. U r saying that Chris dosnt have the license and tryed to lower the income of those 2 companys so that Ymir could sell him the rights? Well this is illegal in my country, 100% sure illegal in 80% of the states of Europe and i bet is illegal for the rest of the world too.

U cant spread to have the license of a game if its not true, u can be sued for this.

As for ur second point about the mps, players quitted, heavy mallers quitted, and who stayed didnt wanted to use more money on a game that didnt changed in 1 year.

As for delay of sea we know is because G4box And GF complained. Now u r free to believe what u want but still on german metin2 server if u type metin2 sea or tec interactive those 2 words appear censored ******. Is funny, u can type Sony or World of Warcraft but not sea/tec lolol.

This should make u understand that GF is realyl concerned about this new metin2 server and so is very possible that they complained about it. Yes still no evidences but still u should think about it.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Suba officially states that they are not dead and that their other 3 titles (ace online, prison tale and the prison tale 2 game) will be ok. {1} {2}

As for this point there is no evidence that Subagames is healty while there are lot more that show the opposite.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Metin2 and crossfire are G4BOX's titles {3}, so if G4BOX ends their partnership with Suba, then of course it is crossfire and metin2 that is removed from Suba. This does not mean that either game is low income, that part is only your own guess. {4}

Yes true but if subagames was going godly why take off this 2 games? Why end the partnership? Maybe suba is not going so well as they say lol


As for Bozo/so/to/?? W/E u wrote some times ago that u would never join SEA for idk what reasons, we would see if u will remain loyal to ur own words or if u will join showing once again to be an eternal undecided being lol. If u choose to join try to pick at least a name lol

no need to flame guys, both "parties" come with valuable oppinion and with facts.

dont be an ass and try to flame one another just coz you dont agree with it, let them see it from your perspective

<3

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Suba officially states that they are not dead and that their other 3 titles (ace online, prison tale and the prison tale 2 game) will be ok. {1} {2}

As for this point there is no evidence that Subagames is healty while there are lot more that show the opposite.

Suba used a merged database so that any user account from any game could login to all of the other games. Likewise this was merged to the forum database, and the item mall systems were replaced by a single universal mall system.

If G4BOX ended their agreement with subagames and therefore pulled all of their data {1, your metin2 user/pass don't work, site is missing details like hero list which relies on the user tables}, I think that would leave suba's system and database quite damaged.

Not to be a jackass but from my experience of suba's web and db guys' work, they suck, and I think this will take them a while to fix. I'm no database master but I imagine that would give me a huge headache also to fix.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Metin2 and crossfire are G4BOX's titles, so if G4BOX ends their partnership with Suba, then of course it is crossfire and metin2 that is removed from Suba. This does not mean that either game is low income, that part is only your own guess.

Yes true but if subagames was going godly why take off this 2 games? Why end the partnership? Maybe suba is not going so well as they say lol

Nobody can know unless it is explained by somebody who does know. Notice there are no "bunny ears" around those "knows"

In the business world, the year is divided up into quarters. G4BOX's partnership with suba started in January, Q1 this year {2}, and this split has occured at the end of Q3 / Start of Q4 {3}. Maybe they disagreed with some of suba's management decisions and decided not to extend their contract with suba. Maybe G4BOX did something bad and suba kicked them and their games out.


As for the other stuff, everyone knows Gameforge sucks.

sorry but im gunna say this again, i dont want any flame but it will be directed.

@Bozo= you say things like you know what is happening, with chris, with the server. heres a few tips you might consider.
Tip1: if you dont like the game and how things are going, dont play it.
Tip2:if you cant fine a game you like, make a game.
Tip3: stop talking about things you dont know anything about, you know as much as the rest of us do, absolutely nothing.


To Everyone:
No need to flame here. lets keep on topic.

My Opinion:
I agree Suba wasnt the best, and yes i do think the data has somehow been corrupted from switching so much. they should have left it alone.

for their forums.... does it really necessary need to be down for this long. but whatever the reason is wont matter. i wont be around anyways for when they pull their heads out of their ass and fix it.

and that fake post of an email.... that was kinda stupid. im positive the would use their own company as their email.

thats my 2 cents.

My Opinion:
I agree Suba wasnt the best, and yes i do think the data has somehow been corrupted from switching so much. they should have left it alone.

sorry, i was talking about the forums. i fliped the 2 paragraphs.

Crono first off put "Bozo" into wikipedia and you might understand the avatar I use, come on any 5 year old can know this lol. I'm also plenty successful for my life so don't worry about that =P

And yea you're right, it's lost in translation, it's quite likely he does have rights however I said that his intention of announcing the launch early was done intentionally to hurt .us and .uk by stopping people playing months before .sea opened, however it seems the failure to launch is causing things to backfire on him a tad. Can you give me a logical reason as to why something that obviously wont take 2 weeks was given such a deadline to begin with? 

amayaryuu can you learn to read long boring pointless posts before you comment on them?
Tip 1: i'm not, nobody is it's not open haven't you noticed? lol
Tip 2: i'm quite content playing metin2.us for now whenever i'm not busy working/studying/playing tennis (life's kinda full nowadays  )
Tip 3: I'm talking about these things because i'm tired of people shoving their heads up Christophers ass and seeing the sun shine there. Just because people put on a charismatic front and promise you the best in the world doesn't mean their intentions are as noble as they seem. It took me 2 months of posting and taking serious hate on the .us forums before one of Christophers previous close ingame friends agreed with me to say that he will only talk to people he can use, then more and more steadily agreed and then the thread was blocked/deleted and forums were switched...oh well shit happens, and you know what not one that abused me said sorry when they originally agreed but i couldn't care less  People need to stop blindly believing the crap they're told and make choices for themselves.

I'll finish this one with a nice quote, "if it seems too good to be true, it generally is"

I know what "Bozo" means but cant u deny that ur char got called Bozo then Boso then Bozo again and prolly its name got changed 1-2more times. U also made waste gm time with the mod elections, sending first a pm where u withdrawed the election and sending another one when was a "misunderstanding" lol

Why i say this? For show u that u never stick with what u do/say.

hurt their business either enough to close them down or possibly to sell their rights to Chris.

With this sentence u say Chris dosnt have the rights so he wants to hurts their business for make Ymir sell it to him.

And yea you're right, it's lost in translation, it's quite likely he does have rights however I said that his intention of announcing the launch early was done intentionally to hurt .us and .uk by stopping people playing months before .sea opened, however it seems the failure to launch is causing things to backfire on him a tad.

Now u say he does have the rights, he is just hurting their business for sport lol

Make up ur mind for once

You're a thick headed ignorant loser 

I've told you at least 4 times already lol, I had 2 acc a mirage and a partisan, one called Bozo the other Boso, I got Mod and GM continually screwed up my name apparently spelling my name Bozo was complicated for them 

As to the MOD elections, no I never did such a thing as withdrew, i sent my email saying I accepted the position and Giada misread it believing I wanted to be pulled out and without confirming it just took me off the poll. I won the poll easily, was MOD for 2 months, then left to focus on my studies. Now if any of that sunk in this time please continue  otherwise go back to start (do not pass go, do not collect $200 go straight there  )

Now yea ok I phrased it poorly, but from my last understanding of the position of .sea it was that it would be ip restricted purely to South East Asia, but should .us close down well who's to stop him poaching players and advertising in what would previously have been their region?

Is that better for the simpletons here? and Crono, you're good at asking me questions but you refuse to answer mine, I wonder why, perhaps because there isn't an answer to why he cast rumours around that he could bring a server up and running in 2 weeks? you can choose from A) he's an overconfident idiot (we both know he's not  ) or B) that there was an alternate motive for it, quite possibly as i hypothesised above....my guess is that's why you wont answer 

They cant name ur partisan as ur mirage. If ur partisan was Bozo and the mirage was Boso, they cant name the partisan Boso too. 2 players with same name cant exist. Try again

And cmon what a faking lie are u saying? the elections wasnt over, and u sent an email for say that u accepted the position? u werent mod there was still the votation. Just admit that u sent a mail for withdraw like Giada posted "Bozo withdrawed", then u changed ur mind and she had to reset elections.

And i already answered ur questions. The release date was 8 july it got postponed because a complain from gf and g4box. U say its not true and thats ur own opinion (like is mine regarding ur name and ur mod election lies).

And lol ignorant loser? u should grow up and learn to be loyal to ur own words, wich seems to change from 1 post to another lol

I think he means because they named him [MOD]Boso, not [MOD]Bozo. His mirage sura is not named [MOD]Boso, so yes they could have changed his name to that (and did, if I remember correctly).

Yea they did, and when i resigned from MOD I deleted the mirage I had and asked for them to give me just Bozo but ended up with Boozo/Boso and finally Bozo lol

If you remember the vote so well perhaps you'd remember that I was something like 30 votes ahead of the person coming 2nd, it was oddly enough quite the landslide, I didn't withdraw in the slightest. Try and check your facts, ask around with the other candidates at the time if you want. Try Bala who asked me why I withdrew and was returned with a reply of "what, I withdrew?"

hmm...not that this really matters to me here guys but arnt we getting a bit off topic here? Crono..honestly does it really matter what name Bozo has or had or any of that nonsense? The topic is about this new deadline that chris came out with for the release of the .sea server. Despite the ongoing debate on if and when this deadline is going to be the final one, theres no need to hash who is who and what "who" did or whatever. Just my view...

It doesn't in the slightest, he's attempting to discredit me whilst failing to answer the simple question of, why was the original release date of late May/early June (whenever it was lol) was set, when it's obvious that it couldn't be opened before that. Don't give me the g4/gf complained crap because that's a recent issue, dragged up and drawn out lol.

You two should get married. There is still room for 2 under my bed. Tell me when you guys are ready to move in. 

No need to discredit u, u are doing it by urself already, by changing ur  statements from post to post. U first said Chris dosnt have the license now u admitted he does.

And the initial date of May was only a speculation, i personally heard it from some ppls on msn, but i never heard Chris saying 4 May SEA opens. In the first days of June Chris said that there were soem problems with the translations and so more time was needed. But he never gave an official date, he just wanted to update about the state of work on the server. The date was 8 July and it got postponed due to complains but i already said this.

None of us can be sure of what he is saying, however at least i have said the facts that made me believe what i am saying.

U just said what u think without show me some facts beside the clear hates against Chris, hate or dislike that u feel since Chris was Mod on .US

And regarding ur little lie of the elections, unless u r a spoiled brat who likes to brag, u dont send a pm 1-2 days before the end of elections saying that u accept the job, even if u have 1k of points more then the 2. Plus are the GMs who usually pm the mod not the opposite.

And one more thing, i remember that u withdrawed from mod more then once because of personal issues and i think that Giada can read the english and can reconize a pm of resignation.

Hey.
I specialy registered to say this lol :stop it u two !!!.
It was more then one year ago ,noone cares,if u want to continue this nite picking then continue it in PM plz .
Just try to be little more polite to each other,it dont hurt lol.
Cheers.

there any rewards for winner?lol
i think u both need a cup of tea...have a break
everyone have own opinion,they just say what they think.
why crono u taking so serious?
about chris i wont talk about him that much,but im totally not agreed his business strategy,but not mean i hate him too,same like bozo.
my dad doing business 40 years,he teach us how to run business,some can do,some not to do.even u can gain much and much money.
no matter SEA will come or not,sucessful or not,there are just a game.
lets peace

Wow... so much speculation here. 

Many things are hard to beleive, especially when accusations are made against people one may like and/or trust.  When statements are made based on information revealed in personal communications of course that's to be questioned.  It's even worse when the sources request of anonymity is retained.  Who was giving orders is unknown, but unfortunately it was our M2 GM's who initiated the downtime, and subsequent database issues, related to this whole Suba/G4BOX fiasco.

Anyone willing to take many hours, investigating the imformation here, can put that together.  Researching this crap, seeing the obvious, it was the G4BOX end who initiated the seperation, it was CF staff who tried to post a fix for players, that only leaves one....  Nevermind it was told to me - the evidence still points there.  How sad.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=248062&post=3025981&bhcp=1&bhhash=1#3025981

who authored that thread?

hmmm....that thread does answer a few questions there for me...interesting to say the least.

I think Crono is trying to convince himself, not me O_O"

Yes I did withdraw previously and Giada had asked me to confirm I still wanted the position since I'd withdrawn before, it was a badly phrased joke on my part and she misread "Don't worry I wont be withdrawing this time" as "I'm withdrawing this time" I guess, seems she was in a rush or didn't want me as MOD who knows  (my MOD tag was taken like 2 hours after I said I was leaving though, so perhaps there was some dislike there lol).

I personally don't have any issues against Chris, I've even said I think he's a brilliant businessman. My problem is as I said before "i'm tired of people shoving their heads up Christophers ass and seeing the sun shine there."

Yes my comments change from post to post, why? because i'm attempting to clarify what you're asking because it seems that no way I say something does it make any sense whatsoever to a neanderthal. :'(

@ Flame...I don't drink tea
@ Shin...hurry up and get stronger so you can kill me ingame again =P
@ PooPoo...very interesting name and an even more interesting read
@ general community, i'm bored, not gonna reply to Crono anymore *sits down and eats pie while playing CoD 4*

u r not attempting to do nothing. i never asked u if u think that Chris has the license or not u did all on ur own. i told u that if he said to have a license and is not true he could be sued by Ymir, G4box and GF and then u changed ur statement.

no you didn't, now shhh and drop it 

Oil each other up and wrestle in speedos =o

only if you join in Rophe *daydreams*

roflcopters 

well we are approaching the end of august
its now or never

29 august... i think SEA won't come out in august or in september......
dunno Y but i have that feeling

LMAO        hope i'm wrong   :'(

I am hoping that it comes out too =o


I think this might annoy the blind followers 

I think that this might annoy those who dosnt want this server out, and this will make the ppls who got rejected hope that it will be delayed again

http://www.metin2sg.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=4805

If not for a download link  i was at least hoping for an accurate date at the end of august but does anyone notice that post announces yet another delay without any kind of precise info? ("the game will be ready in the next few days.") I'm like... ok.   

Wish they would stop throwing all these false hopes and just announce a date when they knew it for sure. 

i really hope its coming out now finally, i really hope...

(not for me, going to stay us, but i hope now dark leaf is going to be clear now ^^)

I think that this might annoy those who dosnt want this server out, and this will make the ppls who got rejected hope that it will be delayed again

http://www.metin2sg.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=4805

those who dosnt want this server out

I do want this server out, I always have, I would like to try it out / play on it if it is good. I've always said this 

and this will make the ppls who got rejected hope that it will be delayed again

tech_engrg@consultant.com: I'm sorry but I do not keep the log on my MSN. However, I can be sure that we have spoken about it. But anyway, I'm puzzled at why the argument sparkled regarding this issue?

claiming I am angry at being "rejected" (7:31:43 PM)

(7:31:50 PM) he is absolutely sure
(7:31:56 PM) apparently

tech_engrg@consultant.com: I see.

tech_engrg@consultant.com: I actually did not reject anyone but only said that we will consider all application.

tech_engrg@consultant.com: Well, I have many people who requested to be a MOD or GM. This is pretty normal.

 


I don't have the log where you tell me that sea will have a type of admin called community GM in each country, and you say that chris could think about me or millsy (lol millsy) for it, and if I want to know more about what those are (this is before chris made that post on the heretics forum explaining GA / SGA / GM / CM etc ) I should ask him.

Now looking at my short msn history with Chris, I say that I think that would be interesting, but I never ask him to hire me. That is incredibly unprofessional, to just "ask to be hired" (or "begged" if you listen to moorefallen's version ) And even if anyone does ask to be hired (what are they, twelve?), he would not accept or reject anybody yet.

Are you still sure you "know" what I'm thinking, even better than I myself do, "know" that Yuki.N is mirakle (lol), "know" that I or Yuki begged to be GMS, or "know" that we or anyone else got rejected apparently, when even Christopher himself is saying that this has not happened?


As for the link: http://www.metin2sg.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=4805

That is great news!  Though I think everyone's main complaint will be they open the link to see "Metin2 SG client download ready!", and then are told it's actually a few more days. Hopefully they make it 

Millsy? hahaha, why dont u stop ur lies? Weirdly u have alwasy the log for all but u dont have this one lol

And from what u posted i can see only that u and some1 else asked to be a mod or more and u got a "we will let u know", wich is a reject 99% of the times lool

Millsy? hahaha, why dont u stop ur lies?

I remember you saying me and mentioning millsy also. I think he would be bad too, hence the (millsy lol) bit in my post.

Weirdly u have alwasy the log for all but u dont have this one lol

I guess since it fits your bias, then it is more convenient if you "forget" some IRL things that happened for me that you know about =o. The the relevant one here being that I got a new computer and new hard drive; I don't have msn conversation histories from around that date.

i can see only that u and some1 else asked to be a mod or more and u got a "we will let u know", wich is a reject 99% of the times lool

You said it all. "I can see only that [blah blah]". Notice boys and girls watching, how what he reads gets nurtured and fabricated into a full "story" or "fact" of what happens, that fits his desired outcome. Unfortunately, not everyone sees things through Crono Gogglesâ„¢.

I could tell you now that if I was offered a job that I thought I would like, then I would be interested in applying for it. I think this is true for 99% of the world's population. Make a poll on the metinworld forums asking players if they would be interested in being a GM, GA, SGM or other rank they have and almost every vote will be yes. None of the people answering are asking or "begging" for a position. To ask for a job, you have to actually (do I have to explain this?...) ask for it. And outright asking for a job in that situation is totally unprofessional, and if anything, would destroy any chances of getting it. Every single time I've seen somebody asking to be a [MOD] on US, I tell them that to just ask to be one should ensure that they never become one. They should wait until applications are invited, or wait to be approached and offered directly.

But you see, chris didn't offer me any job, and I didn't ask him to give me any. He explained what all the positions were and gave me some spreadsheets showing different roles and powers too, and we talked about them all. I was also given item, mob, map etc databses from sea, and some quest source code too, which we also discussed. I received various reviews of schematics for the server setup also. He talked about and answered questions about all of this.

Why? Because I'm interested in metin, and interested in metin2 sea (I know you "know" I hate sea and want it to die, but I say roph disagrees ). Not once did Christopher offer me any kind of job, and neither did I ask (or "beg" ).

And from what u posted

The log snippet I posted is not a conversation with me, nothing there is written by myself and he is not talking to me  . But Chris is talking about the you (mainly) "knowing" all these "facts" about what he has done, and saying that he has not .

Perhaps you would be good for a staff position on MetinWorld, you definitely stick up very hard for what you think is right , athough to the point of compromising yourself sometimes. I don't know why you still maintain all of this, even when Christopher himself is wondering what you're talking about. Or why what I do is so important to you. I'm "lying" of course , but now I would like to play on MetinWorld, not run it.


For a long time instead of getting into the long posts trying to respond to and correct childish playground bickering (did spend like 20 mins on this post =/) I'd instead just watch you guys, it is more entertaining for me that way , I think I will go back to that now since maybe one thing we can agree on (besides Goldelbe being hot) is that I will not change your mind 

 

Crono I have read your posts for the last week.  It is amazing the amount of things you KNOW.  First, lets look at the definition of know.

know
1 v.  cognize, cognise (be cognizant or aware of a fact or a specific piece of information; possess knowledge or information about)

"I know that the President lied to the people"

In order to be cognizant of the things you are claiming to know you would have to BE that person. For days you have claimed to 'know' things.   Since you "know" the burden of proof is on you. You must prove that what you know is fact.  I have not seen any proof from you, only a twisting of words.  You pick a word here or a word there and say, "AHA!  LOOK, He admitted it!!!" 

Perhaps the biggest thing that jumps out at me is that you do not understand the difference between fact and opinion.  In order to KNOW something it has to be a fact.  Otherwise you are just stating your opinion on a matter. 

The difference between fact and opinion is that a fact is something that is empirically true and can be supported by evidence while an opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with some type of evidence. An opinion is normally a subjective statement that can be the result of an emotion or an individual interpretation of a fact.

So, either cough up some real evidence to support what you "know" or give it a rest.  sheesh.

sorry too long for me. It will be full of ur craps lies anyway so i red only first part and the last part. Sorry u used 20 min for something that i wont entirely read.

About millsy i have to laugh again. u post something that i never said and then u say u cant proof it coz u changed HD. Speaking of convenient huh ?

About the msn convo that can be modyfied (u could made a screen but lets suppose is all true) u only showed a little part, u should have show the whole convo, maybe u r hiding something.

As for the gm position i am sure u asked it, u prolly wanted to do the same shitty job u did on .us. Ah speaking of, u have still to explain me how a singol bonus of ur epic (8 slow) became 10 demi.

Try to answer to this, in less then 100 words pls lol

lady the person who u r shielding is one of the biggest abuser (of power) that metin2.us ever had.

For a series of events he always got his ass saved, however there are some facts that he cant explain like the epic fan lol.

crono about what you claim:

I asked chris about it
he said he remembered me asking to be moderator and that he told you of this
I do not recall asking to be moderator for SEA, the only thing I spoke with him about SEA and I was that I notified him I had applied to be closed beta
after searching through my msn logs, I did not turn up anything about my applying to be MOD.
I do not clear chat logs
I told him of this, but it seems Chris does not keep msn chat logs, so no luck there
therefore this point is simply based on memory and/or one's word

however, you are wrong on at least one point
I neither officially "applied" to be moderator, nor was I "rejected"
Chris can confirm this

You may speak with him to confirm what I have written above, or I can post logs here

not sure of what u typed

he said he remembered me asking to be moderator and that he told you of this

So i am right?

however, you are wrong on at least one point
I neither officially "applied" to be moderator, nor was I "rejected"

So i am not right?

Not sure what u mean with officially, i never used that word i just said u asked it and he didnt picked u or did he?

And if there are no proofs but only 2 men words, then between a guy who never lied and another who is so ashamed of telling to the others who was his oldchar in metin2.us... well the choise is simple.

And with this i am done with this topic. I just saw a screen of the client of sea so if i was 100% sure of his launch now i am 200% sure. No need to argue anymore with bozo f the game is going out or no, nor with u or rophe about ur request for mod/gm. I dont think u care what i think dont u? and if u do u can talk in pm

I never asked, neither can he prove I asked
alot of people wanted to be on the staff (his words), perhaps he remembered incorrectly


he says he told you I wanted to be mod, that's it
the rest is your speculation
you believe what you want to believe because it's convenient

The fact that you think you're argueing with me about wether or not metin2.sg will come out proves entirely you didn't read anything I said and we were argueing about different things.  :'( oh well not my fault, it's not worth learning whatever minority language it is you speak just to argue with you.

who wants a cookie? 

who wants a cookie? 

LOL

mmm...cookies..

It's official...the Closed Beta will start on 3 september.