Topic: Proof

I have a proof that stront's IQ is less than 60.

And also SG is a desert. Now please stfu stront.

As for the rest: You guys want proof of CCU of SG over 1.5k from Chris? Why should he make a reply to you guys about that when you take all the words from US GM's as being true without any valid proofs like they do for every fishy case? No no, a more serious question to people like you should be: Why are you so concerned about SG player count and how many real players play when you DON'T EVEN PLAY IT!?

I swear to God, it's pissing me off seeing ALMOST EVERY-SINGLE discussion this thread turning into flame war between people that have nothing to do but ask for SG player count vs people who defend SG.
Please, I didn't think this thread was worth even creating but I haven't seen anything meaningful for the last 100 times I checked Liquiron (except for the new expansion pack thread which again turned into flame shit)

This forum supposed to be a place where Metin players can share something meaningful like videos they made, achievements they did, equips they got, secrets they know, strategies they can share etc., etc., when was the last time that this happened???-_-
Liquiron.com is basically a place for no lifers that are insecure and troll others about their insecurities. I guess you guys really don't have nothing better to do.

Finally, if someone knows a good fan site that people actually post something meaningful and known by many Metin players please feel free to share. (I personally love looking at what equips people have) I am sick of these forums-.-

You guys want proof of CCU of SG over 1.5k from Chris?

We dont want a proof about the CCU, we saw it, we want a proof about how many IPs had SG when Chris showed the screen with the CCU.

Why should he make a reply to you guys about that when you take all the words from US GM's as being true without any valid proofs like they do for every fishy case?

What happed is that Chris (and you)  go like the best, when on this game no server is better than other as all have the good and bad things, for you SG is better for other ppl not.
The GM of .US/.UK, etc dont come here like ''huhuhu i'll do threads about the gold sellers of p.servers for seem the best of the world'' like Chris does, so if he comes here for it he should show us proofs/usefull things, not craps like the threat about gold sellers (even there are few pages that sell gold on SG, i dont know if its true or not, but there are and as i read on other post, Chris should shut down this pages before p.servers)

I am sick of these forums-.-

If you are sick of these forums i'll give u an easy solution, delate your account, remove it from your web browser and dont back it you are so sick

if chris doesnt wanna show us some proof than he should shut his mouth(for forum: stop writing )

other SAs dont come to a public forum and say some crap, so they dont need to show proof cuz they dont say anything

and who took words from US GMs ?

if u dont like flames than just dont read it, just go to metin2 news section and read first post than u can go back and play sg

ye im a nolifer, i dont play anything atm so i got some time to nolife

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We dont want a proof about the CCU, we saw it, we want a proof about how many IPs had SG when Chris showed the screen with the CCU.

Why do you care pussy Argus? Even if it is a desert as you call it, you got owned in that desert lol

What happed is that Chris (and you)  go like the best, when on this game no server is better than other as all have the good and bad things, for you SG is better for other ppl not.
The GM of .US/.UK, etc dont come here like ''huhuhu i'll do threads about the gold sellers of p.servers for seem the best of the world'' like Chris does, so if he comes here for it he should show us proofs/usefull things, not craps like the threat about gold sellers (even there are few pages that sell gold on SG, i dont know if its true or not, but there are and as i read on other post, Chris should shut down this pages before p.servers)

He posted solid evidences that those gold sites has no gold for SG. I know you wish it to be true but it is not lol

If you are sick of these forums i'll give u an easy solution, delate your account, remove it from your web browser and dont back it you are so sick

You should ask to Destroyer to translate better Argus, your losing your touch XD

sg has no goldsellers cuz which moron would make put bots in the desert?

sg has no goldsellers cuz which moron would make put bots in the desert?

some ppls  in .sg asking gold from gold selling sites, so seems even in desert u need gold

btw strong how old r u? 10-12 i bet, cuz u troll past month with one same thing " .SG IS A DESERT ĄĄĄĄĄĄĄĄĄĄĄĄĄ!!!!!!!"


ohh yea i too agree that chris should act like .US or .UK gm's , log one time in 2 months or so. Not to share info with players and so on, would have been way less trolls then there is now. But ehh its his choise what to do.

ye its his choice, so why r his players crying?

this friday 15

everywhere ppl ask for gold, but sg has only 300 active players and other servers got more than 2k or 5k active players so more profit for goldseller in other servers

ye its his choice, so why r his players crying?

this friday 15

everywhere ppl ask for gold, but sg has only 300 active players and other servers got more than 2k or 5k active players so more profit for goldseller in other servers

Do you realise that just because some players answer to your retarded posts it doesnt mean we cry about the nonsense u talk about?

And do you also realise that the 300 CCU you always claim SG has, it just come from Roph crap mouth. Instead of asking Chris for IPs why dont you ask Roph lol he seems to know better

Dont understand why u made this thread
anw
New flame warr 3 , 2 , 1 , go go go 
P.S all what u wrote here,we posted many times in that "flame warrs"

It wasn't my data at all, I only arranged it (created graphs with it). The Data came directly from SG's own servers.

An example that should explain: I run an internet radio server. If you connect to it and start listening to the music (similar to logging into and playing metin2) you won't ever receive information on the current listener (player) count. But since you know that it is a shoutcast server, and if you know how shoutcast works, you know that it has a feature to view that information. If you access it over HTTP on port 8000, you will see a collection of information from the server, including the current listener count.

A similar feature is built into all Metin2 servers. Z8Games and Gameforge disabled this (otherwise you would see graphs for those servers too), SG didn't. So if you wanted to see how many players were online, you could at any time just by asking the server itself over telnet. Some time ago they finally disabled this feature, so it's not possible to see the CCU any more.

As for the forum things, it is a double edged blade. The original principle was a place where you would not be censored. People aren't censored when posting criticism or other things that would be deleted from official publisher forums, but some users also take it as a free ticket to flame a lot.

The main purpose of the site is the news & other features (i.e. not stuff in /forum/), which is reflected in the traffic

I can only speak for myself here.

I ask for proof of the CCU because I don't believe that SG has that many players. Charlie started playing a little over a month ago.  In all the time he's played I've never seen over 25 shops on ch1.  He's never been ks'ed, never even run into but 2 other players that I can remember. I just can not fathom how with 1,500 players online on the weekends, and what was it.. 900 (?) during the week he can spend all that time without running into a single player.  Or rather only running into two.

So I suppose, yes, I am saying I believe Christopher is lying. Everyone lies, I'm not judging him because of it. I am simply disappointed. When SG began we all heard what a great server it was going to be.  How different it was going to be. And now, after all this time, it is struggling.   And I feel like he's falling into the same things he disparaged in the US server.  Telling things that aren't true to try and pull players to his server.  If he continued to advertise the many quests his server has, the events, the customer service. Then I would not ask for it. But he's decided to start answering the people who say that SG is a desert with "SG has x CCU now".  So I ask for proof, because I don't believe it.  I also think he'd have been better off to admit to the IP block right off rather than treat his players like idiots and continue denying it. I think this hurt his business WAY more than the IP block itself. Gamers are resourceful, as can be evidenced by the number of players who do use a proxy to get around the IP block.   But when they all start saying there is an IP block and you continually deny it and then one day admit it.  Well you make yourself look like a fool and damage the trust your players would have had in you. 

Also I read somewhere that many MMO's make their CCU public and Metin2 is one of the few servers where they don't.  As for allowing access to the admin panel.. Why?  Why would you need to do that to allow everyone to see your CCU?  I admit I am not technically savvy enough to know these things. But then again, neither is he when he answers me.  (See Roph's post above mine)

As for the rest of your post, I agree.  It was entertaining at first, now it is just the same people with the same arguments over and over again. That's my two cents~

ye its his choice, so why r his players crying?

Who is actually crying from the players who PLYING NOW in .sg? Only who is complaining a bit is inso, cuz he yellow and that kingdom fked up badly, lots of high levels and none low lv, high lv nabs open shops in blue and make there kingdoms suffer but ehh it there choise.

i'm fine with it, as i told i dont need more ppls in .sg its now average number of players there.  I can go to woods and eay find metin, i can log in weekend and find free HL room for lv, i can go woods and kil ghost tree lord. For me its perfect now.

He posted solid evidences that those gold sites has no gold for SG. I know you wish it to be true but it is not lol

There is a difference between an evidence and a solid evidence. On the thread about gold sellers, even though Chris claimed to have hidden the buyer identity well, paypal dispute page reveals that the buy attempt was done with a paypal account registered to TEC and as such the identity was known to gold seller site since the transaction happened.
This, i believe was the reason why Tec was stalled and asked to throw in some random id identification like a picture of a passport - i doubt such things get asked from all of the costumers.
Considering this, the story of no gold available, to my eyes, may have not been true.

Some time ago they finally disabled this feature, so it's not possible to see the CCU any more.

Seems very convenient to say this lol

Also I read somewhere that many MMO's make their CCU public and Metin2 is one of the few servers where they don't.

Metin2 what? Either add the server or correct the word "server" with the word "game", because your post makes no sense as it is.

I am simply disappointed. When SG began we all heard what a great server it was going to be.  How different it was going to be. And now, after all this time, it is struggling.   And I feel like he's falling into the same things he disparaged in the US server.  Telling things that aren't true to try and pull players to his server.

You supported SG until Roph did. The day he was dissed was the day of your change of side. Do you really believe that posting into this fan site will bring more players to any kind of server? Even if it hurts Rophe ego, this forum is empty. Germans or Italians that wants to inform themself about metin visit epvp or inforge, not certanly this site.

The only reason why it has some users is due to selling and buying proprieties. When and if SG will put that auction house they will lower even more